in this episode, the place of sound visits the Ottawa public library for a meeting of the urbanism book club, hosted by strong towns Ottawa. through two conversations recorded at the event, the episode explores how local residents are thinking about transit, housing, infrastructure, and what it means to build a city that is more affordable, sustainable, and livable. featuring an interview with Derrick Simpson, a volunteer with strong towns Ottawa, and reflections from Missy Thomas, a member of the book club, this episode offers a grounded introduction to the organization and the community forming around it.